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Cuando comencé este intento de blog, publiqué (medio en chiste, medio en serio) una entrada: "misterios sin resolver" en la cual había una referencia sobre la existencia de Dios (en realidad no era el tema central del post, pero bueh). Todo esto viene porque, en la clase de Oratoria, se abrió una linda discusión sobre la creencia o el ateismo de la gente… tengo que reconocer que, como excelente profesor de oratoria, me puso en mi lugar con una sencilla frase: “para negar a Dios es necesario, primeramente, haberlo reconocido”. Aclaro algo: Dios –en este contexto– no hace referencia al Dios de los Cristianos, sino a un Dios en común de todas las religiones: sea como quieran llamarle (no se si se me entiende).

La cuestión es que, luego, encontré una gran frase de Protágoras donde declara que:

Dos cosas le impiden saber si hay Dios: la dificultad del problema y la brevedad de la vida humana.

Luego, este apunte/libro, continúa con una gran frase:

Planteado el problema del conocimiento, y sentado que al no tener el hombre acceso a la verdad, todo depende de la doxa o creencia, sostenedora de la humanidad....

Pero a su vez: Bertrand Russell, entre sus paradojas planteó (y el siguiente fragmento es extraido del libro: Matemática... ¿estás ahí? -que lo pueden bajar de manera gratuita haciendo click aquí):
DIOS NO EXISTE
Seguramente, de todas las maneras de presentar la paradoja de Bertrand Russell, ésta es la más llamativa. Se pretende probar que Dios no existe, nada menos.
Pongámonos primero de acuerdo con lo que quiere decir Dios. Por definición, la existencia de Dios está igualada con la existencia de un ser todopoderoso. En la medida en que nosotros podamos probar que nada ni nadie puede ser omnipotente, entonces, nadie podrá adjudicarse el “ser Dios”. Vamos a probar esto “por el absurdo”; o sea, vamos a suponer que el resultado es cierto y eso nos va a llevar a una contra-dicción.
Supongamos que Dios existe. Entonces, como hemos dicho, en tanto que Dios, debe ser todopoderoso. Lo que vamos a hacer es probar que no puede haber nadie todopoderoso. O lo que es lo mismo: no puede haber nadie que tenga todos los poderes.
Y hacemos así: si existiera alguien que tuviera todos los poderes, debería tener el poder de hacer piedras muy grandes. No le puede faltar este poder, porque si no, ya demostraría que no es todopoderoso. Entonces, concluimos que tiene que tener el poder de hacer piedras muy grandes. No sólo tiene que tener el poder de hacer piedras muy grandes, sino que tiene que ser capaz de hacer piedras que él no pueda mover… no le puede faltar este poder (ni ningún otro si vamos al caso). Luego, tiene que ser capaz de hacer piedras y que esas piedras sean muy grandes. Tan grandes, que eventualmente él no las pueda mover.
Ésta es la contradicción, porque si hay piedras que él no pueda mover, eso significa que le falta un poder. Y si tales piedras no las puede hacer, eso significa que le falta ese poder. En definitiva, cualquiera que pretenda ser todopoderoso adolecerá de un problema: o bien le falta el poder de hacer piedras tan grandes que él no pueda mover, o bien existen piedras que él no puede mover. De una u otra forma, no puede haber nadie todopoderoso (y eso era lo que queríamos probar).

¿Existirá Dios?... no lo sé. Supongo que me voy a enterar cuando me corresponda.-

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Dios existe? mirá,esta pregunta es miti y miti de acuerdo a la óptica que la mires...Existe al 100% para los que siguen espiritualmente cualquier religión, en dónde Dios tiene varios nombres en cada una de ellas pero siempre con el mismo fin, buscar la paz y afianzar la espiritualidad mundial...
Ahora bien (ah, guasa eh?), se pone en tela de juicio su existencia desde la óptica ¿de quién?, pues de la ciencia, de la razón, de algunas corrientes filosóficas...a los que sólo lo empírico les da la pauta de qué es lo que existe y qué no...
Y bueno de ahí surgen engendros literarios a lo "Código da Vinci" y/o sus imitaciones...te parece?
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Pudo opinar?. Si dios existe o no (y lo pongo con minúscula, para no dudar de la existencia de Dios), es un tema super complicadisimo.
Creo que lo importante mas alla de la existencia de un dios o de un cereal mágico que cura enfermedades es la Fé. La necesidad de cualquier ser de creer en algo y aferrarse a eso. Al menos todos los ejemplos de milagros y cosas "divinas" que se escuchan por ahí, son puro producto de la Fé en lo que la persona en cuestión se haya puesto a creer.

Por mi parte como ya se habrá notado, creo en la existencia de Dios. Todavía no tengo bien definido si es justamente por la necesidad de tener alguien muy poderoso que haga justicia ó por comodidad (es mas fácil hacer las cosas a media y "que sea lo que Dios quiera") ó porque de chiquito fuí criado con que Dios existe y como buen borrego no me salgo de los parametros que ya me definieron.
Como sea!

Muy buena entrada, la parte de la "justificación" matemática, muy muy buena.

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Buno el tema es un "GRAN TEMA" ... mucha controversia.. muchos puntos de vista.. y no se si alguien tiene o tendra algun dia la razon... A mi criterio es un tema que me supera... supera la mente humana... y por otro lado estan buenas las discusiones... te lo digo vieniendo de un colegio religioso ((De curas))... donde nos hicimos miles de interrogantes que casi nunca eran respondidos mas que con esas respeustas evasivas como "Poque Dios es Grande"... y bue.. habia que callarse la boca... Por otro lado.. si creo en Dios.... creo en ese ser que es mas que mas... que es mas que todo... y que esta mas alla de todo.. del bien y del mal... Pero como dijiste vos.. ya nos llegara el momento de q nos enteremos... Cada uno tiene en si la desicion de creer.. no creer.. o no sbaer si creer o no... y eso depende de la Fe de cada uno.. de la vida de cada uno.. de las situaciones de cada uno... de las "cruces" con las que caega cada uno... y de miles de cosas mas... Antes de terminar de irme les digo algo que lei en algun lado... "Una mujer perdio sus manos por salvar la vida de su hijo que estaba en peligro... si ella no hacia lo que hizo.. el moria... Entonces podemos preguntarnos donde estaba Dios cuando la mujer perdio sus manos???... Y la respuesta seria.... ESTABA SALVANDO A SU HIJO... Y DANDOLE FUERZAS A ELLA PARA HACER LO QUE HIZO..." Y por otro lado el poder absoluto lo tiene cada uno dentro de si... Cada uno tiene el poder sobre lo mas grande y maravilloso que pueda existir... LA VIDA... simplemente eso...


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